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		<title>Comment on The Traced Pastels of Edgar Degas by Will Stevens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will Stevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 08:05:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You too Clive!</description>
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		<title>Comment on The Traced Pastels of Edgar Degas by Will Stevens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will Stevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 07:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, I keep hanging onto mine&lt;em&gt; for just that reason&lt;/em&gt;!  Sadly I think I&#039;m probably wasting my time but there you go.  Thanks for the comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, I keep hanging onto mine<em> for just that reason</em>!  Sadly I think I&#8217;m probably wasting my time but there you go.  Thanks for the comment.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Today&#8217;s Nude by Will Stevens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will Stevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 07:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absoloutely right Jeanine!  Even after all this time I&#039;m not sure what it was supposed to acheive, but I mustn&#039;t get started again ;).  Thanks for your comment btw and sorry for not replying to it earlier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absoloutely right Jeanine!  Even after all this time I&#8217;m not sure what it was supposed to acheive, but I mustn&#8217;t get started again <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> .  Thanks for your comment btw and sorry for not replying to it earlier.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Traced Pastels of Edgar Degas by Boutique Woodwork Los Angeles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boutique Woodwork Los Angeles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 05:48:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Always interesting to discover the plethera of notes and jots of drawings an artist does may actually be considered their own pieces some day.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Today&#8217;s Nude by jeaninebrannigan</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeaninebrannigan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 22:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>very interesting concept but I am skeptical it could replace drawing in the studio or classroom from life. Still very interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>very interesting concept but I am skeptical it could replace drawing in the studio or classroom from life. Still very interesting.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Traced Pastels of Edgar Degas by Clive</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 00:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I&#039;m impressed with Bristol; there seems to be a heck of a lot going on there, not least a visit by Banksy to donate to the Oxfam shop at the top of the street.  And have an exhibit.  Hmmm, all very interesting, thanks the long reply to my overly long reply and best for the coming term.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I&#8217;m impressed with Bristol; there seems to be a heck of a lot going on there, not least a visit by Banksy to donate to the Oxfam shop at the top of the street.  And have an exhibit.  Hmmm, all very interesting, thanks the long reply to my overly long reply and best for the coming term.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Traced Pastels of Edgar Degas by Will Stevens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will Stevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 13:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Clive. Apologies for not replying to your comment earlier. (The class starts back next week) I think you&#039;re right to say that there is an interest, possibly a huge but dormant one in art of a figurative kind that isn&#039;t being catered for.  Just recently in Bristol we had an exhibition of work by Graffitti artist Banksy(who I&#039;m assuming needs no introduction but google Banksy versus Bristol if you&#039;re not sure.) and the queues were about four hours long, apparently about the same as there were for the Ufitzi in Florence. I had so many people in my classes asking what I thought about it and really I was so ambivalent I&#039;m kind of glad now that it&#039;s over that I don&#039;t have to bother having an opinion about it any more  On the one hand I actually quite enjoyed it, although admittedly this was more for the animated mannequins rather than the paintings although even the paintings were better than I thought they&#039;d be.  . On the other hand people seemed to be inflating him (there&#039;s that description again!) into some kind of major talent out of all proportion to what he actually does. I felt like somebody carping on about Elvis in the 50s just because he&#039;d taken a load of blues and hillbilly music and repackaged it for a mass audience.  Even more annoyingly he  donated a load of memorabilia to the Oxfam shop at the top of Park Street near the museum which they got something like £20,000 for so he&#039;s a top man into the bargain and really almost impossible to criticise
I take your point about the number of artist&#039;s coming out of art school and  &quot;flooding the market&quot;. There was, however,  a huge drop out rate when I graduated however of something like 90% of graduates giving up art alltogether after 1 year of leaving college and I would imagine it&#039;s even worse now. The people I know who are artists now are all people who&#039;ve taken it up relatively recently, after a series of evening classes for example and have a bit of a financial cushion behind them. Which seems to pretty much tally with what you were saying earlier.  Lets hope they don&#039;t have a cull though! I&#039;d be a bit worried about young baby artist&#039;s being clubbed to death by nasty men in big anoraks. ;)
Very impressed by the turnout you get for your life class and in such a small village too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Clive. Apologies for not replying to your comment earlier. (The class starts back next week) I think you&#8217;re right to say that there is an interest, possibly a huge but dormant one in art of a figurative kind that isn&#8217;t being catered for.  Just recently in Bristol we had an exhibition of work by Graffitti artist Banksy(who I&#8217;m assuming needs no introduction but google Banksy versus Bristol if you&#8217;re not sure.) and the queues were about four hours long, apparently about the same as there were for the Ufitzi in Florence. I had so many people in my classes asking what I thought about it and really I was so ambivalent I&#8217;m kind of glad now that it&#8217;s over that I don&#8217;t have to bother having an opinion about it any more  On the one hand I actually quite enjoyed it, although admittedly this was more for the animated mannequins rather than the paintings although even the paintings were better than I thought they&#8217;d be.  . On the other hand people seemed to be inflating him (there&#8217;s that description again!) into some kind of major talent out of all proportion to what he actually does. I felt like somebody carping on about Elvis in the 50s just because he&#8217;d taken a load of blues and hillbilly music and repackaged it for a mass audience.  Even more annoyingly he  donated a load of memorabilia to the Oxfam shop at the top of Park Street near the museum which they got something like £20,000 for so he&#8217;s a top man into the bargain and really almost impossible to criticise<br />
I take your point about the number of artist&#8217;s coming out of art school and  &#8220;flooding the market&#8221;. There was, however,  a huge drop out rate when I graduated however of something like 90% of graduates giving up art alltogether after 1 year of leaving college and I would imagine it&#8217;s even worse now. The people I know who are artists now are all people who&#8217;ve taken it up relatively recently, after a series of evening classes for example and have a bit of a financial cushion behind them. Which seems to pretty much tally with what you were saying earlier.  Lets hope they don&#8217;t have a cull though! I&#8217;d be a bit worried about young baby artist&#8217;s being clubbed to death by nasty men in big anoraks. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Very impressed by the turnout you get for your life class and in such a small village too.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Traced Pastels of Edgar Degas by Clive</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 16:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Will, too right; it&#039;s already starting to happen with YouTube etc.  But even if the mainstream media is using clumsy focus groups, I think we might start to see more.  Check out this link when you get a mo, and listen to Part 3 while you work away at something or other: 
 
http://www.cbc.ca/thecurrent/2008/200805/20080502.html   

Although it&#039;s a Canadian program, I think it&#039;s implications could apply to boomers anywhere in the developed world.  One of the panelists, Barbara Moses has written a book called &#039;Dish in which she explores female boomers.  I suppose it&#039;s the sort of book that marketers might be interested in, to understand the demographic they are targeting.  The boomers are a huge target, even just the females.  For her book, Moses interviewed 500 women and 90% saw themselves, as they slowed down retiring and semi retiring, getting involved in visual arts in some way or another!  This fact doesn&#039;t surprise me, (ok, I was a bit surprised at how high that figure is...) because I live in an area where people flock to retire and slow down, and her demographic are already roosting here and so there are possibly more artists per square kilometre than anywhere on earth.  And of course, if they don&#039;t take up woodworking, drinking beer on a couch in front of the telly, or riding a Harley, there are lots of older guys becoming artists too.  As well, colleges and Universities are churning out more young &#039;artists&#039; in a mad competition with each other for acolyte&#039;s educational income. There is already talk of a cull.  On the one hand, it&#039;s fascinating and wonderful to see so many people engaged in the visual arts; on the other hand if you were starting out as visual artist, always a shaky proposition, it&#039;s never been shakier, as the art market is absolutely flooded.  A consolation is that, as a practising artist, you might find some income from offering workshops or instruction.  I suppose it&#039;s always been that way, but I would suspect more so now.  Anyway, getting back to Todays Nude, it would seem to me that if those focus groups have any merit we might see lots more programs on art and even life drawing.  It will be good for our little life drawing group here; maybe we can do two each week!  We&#039;re not instructed, by the way, it&#039;s just an open drawing group, but we&#039;re already able to get enough attendees on a drop-in, weekly, non committal basis to run all winter.  This, in a village of 3000!  Some people come from outside the village.  Most of us are those same self-actualizing boomers Moses talks about.

One other quick thought; as well as programmes being made by we/people in general rather than television companies, there are also books being made by we/people in general rather than publishers.  Have you checked out the Blurb product?  As well as publishing images of great fidelity for the artist or photographer, if you instruct, you could now easily put together an instructional book based on your course that is illustrated and sums up the contents of your program for students.  You can actually prepare for your workshop or course within the book publishing program and then push publish at the end.  If you&#039;ve done an OK job there is a good chance your students will buy a reasonably priced product at the end.

I&#039;m almost old enough to remember the airship, so the world we live in now often amazes me. 

Speaking of airships, I have become the prosaic equivalent of a Zeppelin sized windbag...

Say hi to Lisa.  I just saw a beautiful portrait of Lisa, who as you know has done a fair bit of modelling, painted by a Karen Martin Sampson who lives just north of here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Will, too right; it&#8217;s already starting to happen with YouTube etc.  But even if the mainstream media is using clumsy focus groups, I think we might start to see more.  Check out this link when you get a mo, and listen to Part 3 while you work away at something or other: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.cbc.ca/thecurrent/2008/200805/20080502.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.cbc.ca/thecurrent/2008/200805/20080502.html</a>   </p>
<p>Although it&#8217;s a Canadian program, I think it&#8217;s implications could apply to boomers anywhere in the developed world.  One of the panelists, Barbara Moses has written a book called &#8216;Dish in which she explores female boomers.  I suppose it&#8217;s the sort of book that marketers might be interested in, to understand the demographic they are targeting.  The boomers are a huge target, even just the females.  For her book, Moses interviewed 500 women and 90% saw themselves, as they slowed down retiring and semi retiring, getting involved in visual arts in some way or another!  This fact doesn&#8217;t surprise me, (ok, I was a bit surprised at how high that figure is&#8230;) because I live in an area where people flock to retire and slow down, and her demographic are already roosting here and so there are possibly more artists per square kilometre than anywhere on earth.  And of course, if they don&#8217;t take up woodworking, drinking beer on a couch in front of the telly, or riding a Harley, there are lots of older guys becoming artists too.  As well, colleges and Universities are churning out more young &#8216;artists&#8217; in a mad competition with each other for acolyte&#8217;s educational income. There is already talk of a cull.  On the one hand, it&#8217;s fascinating and wonderful to see so many people engaged in the visual arts; on the other hand if you were starting out as visual artist, always a shaky proposition, it&#8217;s never been shakier, as the art market is absolutely flooded.  A consolation is that, as a practising artist, you might find some income from offering workshops or instruction.  I suppose it&#8217;s always been that way, but I would suspect more so now.  Anyway, getting back to Todays Nude, it would seem to me that if those focus groups have any merit we might see lots more programs on art and even life drawing.  It will be good for our little life drawing group here; maybe we can do two each week!  We&#8217;re not instructed, by the way, it&#8217;s just an open drawing group, but we&#8217;re already able to get enough attendees on a drop-in, weekly, non committal basis to run all winter.  This, in a village of 3000!  Some people come from outside the village.  Most of us are those same self-actualizing boomers Moses talks about.</p>
<p>One other quick thought; as well as programmes being made by we/people in general rather than television companies, there are also books being made by we/people in general rather than publishers.  Have you checked out the Blurb product?  As well as publishing images of great fidelity for the artist or photographer, if you instruct, you could now easily put together an instructional book based on your course that is illustrated and sums up the contents of your program for students.  You can actually prepare for your workshop or course within the book publishing program and then push publish at the end.  If you&#8217;ve done an OK job there is a good chance your students will buy a reasonably priced product at the end.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m almost old enough to remember the airship, so the world we live in now often amazes me. </p>
<p>Speaking of airships, I have become the prosaic equivalent of a Zeppelin sized windbag&#8230;</p>
<p>Say hi to Lisa.  I just saw a beautiful portrait of Lisa, who as you know has done a fair bit of modelling, painted by a Karen Martin Sampson who lives just north of here.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Traced Pastels of Edgar Degas by Will Stevens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will Stevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 16:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the kind words Clive. Of course you&#039;re right.  It&#039;s very rare for anybody to broadcast anything about drawing  over here too. I do wonder how long it&#039;ll be though, with You Tube, blogging and increasingly good quality affordable video cameras before we/people in general all just end up making art programmes that we/people actually want to see rather than the clumsy focus group driven market researched stuff that ends up on our screens. So there Channel 4 :P etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the kind words Clive. Of course you&#8217;re right.  It&#8217;s very rare for anybody to broadcast anything about drawing  over here too. I do wonder how long it&#8217;ll be though, with You Tube, blogging and increasingly good quality affordable video cameras before we/people in general all just end up making art programmes that we/people actually want to see rather than the clumsy focus group driven market researched stuff that ends up on our screens. So there Channel 4 <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' />  etc.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Traced Pastels of Edgar Degas by Clive</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 15:39:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Will, summers over and checking in again.  Great posts and writing, interesting to see you&#039;ve had some animation studio artists drop by, and great item on the Todays Nude program which we haven&#039;t been able to watch here on the tundra and ice floes but which many of us have seen on YouTube. I was probably less critical because I was just grateful to see a whole television series devoted to drawing, and life drawing.  But everything you&#039;ve said rings true.  Zeppelin sized windbag!  I piddled myself laughing...and I love listening to Berger talk!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Will, summers over and checking in again.  Great posts and writing, interesting to see you&#8217;ve had some animation studio artists drop by, and great item on the Todays Nude program which we haven&#8217;t been able to watch here on the tundra and ice floes but which many of us have seen on YouTube. I was probably less critical because I was just grateful to see a whole television series devoted to drawing, and life drawing.  But everything you&#8217;ve said rings true.  Zeppelin sized windbag!  I piddled myself laughing&#8230;and I love listening to Berger talk!</p>
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